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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 08:34:46

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Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 08:48:01

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

bonjour cousin obelix,
all i can say for now is the possibility of them being a type of precancellation much like is done to u.s. stamps. they could be privately done to twart theft of stock or done to trigger the cancellation machines to reject the letter, but a machine cancel on the one stamp might make this theory null. hope someone has a better story. i gave it my best. :crazy:

amities et a bientot,
cajunsr.
:D
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 08:49:56

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bonjour cousin obelix,
all i can say for now is the possibility of them being a type of precancellation much like is done to u.s. stamps. they could be privately done to twart theft of stock or done to trigger the cancellation machines to reject the letter, but a machine cancel on the one stamp might make this theory null. hope someone has a better story. i gave it my best. :crazy:

amities et a bientot,
cajunsr.
:D

p.s.-i do have some stanley gibbons catalogs and perhaps i will find the answer later today in them. i am still waking up with my morning coffee.

a bientot,
cajunsr.
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 09:23:41

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

bonjour cousin obelix,
after looking through my 2001 stanley gibbons GB concise catalog, i find no mention of this 'used' variety. i may suggest you go to the stanley gibbons website to contact them directly with your question. i am sure they can answer it without any reservations. they also have a 'free' online catalog. :cool2:

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amities,
cajunsr.
:D
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 10:27:44

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (631x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
bonjour cousin obelix,
after looking through my 2001 stanley gibbons GB concise catalog, i find no mention of this 'used' variety. i may suggest you go to the stanley gibbons website to contact them directly with your question. i am sure they can answer it without any reservations. they also have a 'free' online catalog. :cool2:

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amities,
cajunsr.
:D

Hello Cajunsr1,:cool:
Thank you for the anwers you give to me,it is very kind of you.
As you have proposed, I will ask this question on the site "stanley gibbons".
Kind regards.:wink2:
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 10:38:53

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Hello Cajunsr1,:cool:
Thank you for the anwers you give to me,it is very kind of you.
As you have proposed, I will ask this question on the site "stanley gibbons".
Kind regards.:wink2:

bonjour cousin obelix,
no problem. just send a stack of 'brussel' waffles for me and my hungry brood. :applause: :D

amities,
cajunsr.
:coffee: :yes: et un beignet pour cousin obelix. :wink2:
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sat 3rd Nov 2007 17:40:10

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

From another stamp board:
The dots are added to mail to during the automatic sorting process. I believe that the dots represent the postcode, hence an electronic reader at the destination post office can automatically put letters into the correct delivery round.

As you correctly surmise the silver dots are not part of the stamp design but are rather a representation of the postcode which is applied at the sorting office to aid automatic sorting. An operator types the postcode of the letter in question, this is then transferred to the envelope in question and the dots are automatically read by the sorting apparatus are directed to the appropriate mailbag or whatever.

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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sun 4th Nov 2007 02:25:35

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From another stamp board:
The dots are added to mail to during the automatic sorting process. I believe that the dots represent the postcode, hence an electronic reader at the destination post office can automatically put letters into the correct delivery round.

As you correctly surmise the silver dots are not part of the stamp design but are rather a representation of the postcode which is applied at the sorting office to aid automatic sorting. An operator types the postcode of the letter in question, this is then transferred to the envelope in question and the dots are automatically read by the sorting apparatus are directed to the appropriate mailbag or whatever.

Hope this helps

Hello friendly philatelist:wink2:
I thank you very much for this information.Have a good day.
Cordially,
Obelix :cool:
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Sun 4th Nov 2007 10:28:29

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In response to Meostamps [100% (251x)] :
From another stamp board:
The dots are added to mail to during the automatic sorting process. I believe that the dots represent the postcode, hence an electronic reader at the destination post office can automatically put letters into the correct delivery round.

As you correctly surmise the silver dots are not part of the stamp design but are rather a representation of the postcode which is applied at the sorting office to aid automatic sorting. An operator types the postcode of the letter in question, this is then transferred to the envelope in question and the dots are automatically read by the sorting apparatus are directed to the appropriate mailbag or whatever.

Hope this helps

bonjour MEO,
hmmmm, wonder if i have met you somewhere before? anyway, i was hoping someone else would answer the cousin on this. as a usps retiree, i worked on the very automation machines that read sprayed these codes on the mail. however, our barcodes were sprayed on the
bottom of the letter and the back. the back barcode was a orange phosphorus ink. the front was just a black graphite ink. the codes represented the 9 digit zipcodes to sort the mail to the letter carrier routes. most of the packages, magazines, and other mail is also done with this same technology now. and replacing the 'union' human workers. not good. :(

later gators,
cajunsr.
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 05:27:15

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

Bonjour Obélix.

Full answer ->Link (http)
# 6...
Easy no ?
A very good link for "Machin" lovers :love:

Belgo-belgian salutations ,
Norbert.
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 05:52:05

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Bonjour Obélix.

Full answer ->Link (http)
# 6...
Easy no ?
A very good link for "Machin" lovers :love:

Belgo-belgian salutations ,
Norbert.

Bonjour Nirvana2,

Merci beaucoup pour ces renseignements, il me seront très utiles.
Bien cordialement,

Oscar
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 09:30:49

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

bonjour cousin obelix,
i seems my initial assumption was correct. it seems the spots were part of a larger code for sorting:

" I have some used Machins that bear small dots or spots (either circular or diamond shaped) that appear to be sprayed on. Most of the spots are silver or grey. What are these spots?
I have always considered these spots "cancellation" or "sorting" marks. Linn's Stamp News in their April 24, 2006 issue (page 42, Collectors' Forum), notes the following:

"The spots are British mail-test markings that are applied to the faces of envelopes in tracking mail pieces during a mail test. Some of them happened to fall on the stamps affixed to the face of the envelope."

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10 years in the usps working on the automation barcode sorting machines told me this might be the answer to the mystery, but our friend's link verified it.

amities,
cajunsr.
:D
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 09:41:48

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello,
Somebody can it inform me about the presence of these spots on these stamps.
Thank you.:help:

bonjour cousin obelix,
it seems i was in error, i said the dots were for cancellation, not a code. my apologies to the cousin who said it was for a code. don't want to steal his thunder. :oops: but it is possible the same technology could do the same purpose. our one barcode sorting machine uses a flourescent sprayed on barcode on the back of a letter, and that is read by others downline to sort it to the proper destinations. the intial barcode that is sprayed on the front is not flourescent, and is for the receiving address zipcode. the flourescent barcode will get the letter to the letter carrier route. again, my sincere apologies.

amities,
cajunsr.
:bowdown:
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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 09:59:05

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In response to Cajunsr1 [99% (631x)] Club+ member: Silver  :
bonjour cousin obelix,
it seems i was in error, i said the dots were for cancellation, not a code. my apologies to the cousin who said it was for a code. don't want to steal his thunder. :oops: but it is possible the same technology could do the same purpose. our one barcode sorting machine uses a flourescent sprayed on barcode on the back of a letter, and that is read by others downline to sort it to the proper destinations. the intial barcode that is sprayed on the front is not flourescent, and is for the receiving address zipcode. the flourescent barcode will get the letter to the letter carrier route. again, my sincere apologies.

amities,
cajunsr.
:bowdown:

Hello my friend
Cajunsr1 :wink2:

Thank you for your answers and no problem because everyone can made an error.
Kind regards and have a good day,

Obelix


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  Machin stamps of United Kingdom     Thu 13th Mar 2008 10:03:53

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In response to Obelix [100% (1713x)] (Closed account) Club+ member: Silver  :
Hello my friend
Cajunsr1 :wink2:

Thank you for your answers and no problem because everyone can made an error.
Kind regards and have a good day,

Obelix




bonjour cousin oblelix,
merci, un bonne WE au vous. :cool2: :applause:

amities,
cajunsr.
:D
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